tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1166669645725536266.post5129836659375710502..comments2023-07-07T06:52:33.856-04:00Comments on floatingsheep: Mapping ChristianityMark Grahamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00659652124105331552noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1166669645725536266.post-56501588025884766742013-10-31T11:27:20.438-04:002013-10-31T11:27:20.438-04:00This map is INCORRECT when it comes to Denmark, Sw...This map is INCORRECT when it comes to Denmark, Sweden, Finland, and Norway they are 98-99% PROTESTANT!!!! (look it up...I did) Also The UK map is mostly wrong, as well. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1166669645725536266.post-60322657079686020302012-12-27T20:01:58.672-05:002012-12-27T20:01:58.672-05:00This map is very far off the mark when it covers L...This map is very far off the mark when it covers Louisiana. The general New Orleans area has a great deal of Roman Catholics, along with Jewish worshipers.LaBelle1979https://www.blogger.com/profile/13615196729399947599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1166669645725536266.post-65571665704612406792012-11-10T13:43:51.777-05:002012-11-10T13:43:51.777-05:00Very interesting. You might want to take a look at...Very interesting. You might want to take a look at the World Values Survey project, which has been conducting research since the 1980's:<br /><br />http://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/<br /><br />They are just now beginning to hit their stride in both coverage and methodology.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1166669645725536266.post-33166207781704493482012-04-14T13:03:16.880-04:002012-04-14T13:03:16.880-04:00This map is very wrong when it comes to Sweden, De...This map is very wrong when it comes to Sweden, Denmark, Finland and Estonia - Basically all of northern Europe. All these countries are mainly protestant, but it shows that denmark is catholic and finland and estonia are orthodox. Both finland and estonia are completely protestant - you can see some orthodox hints in the architecture of some churches, but it's from the time when these two countries were de jure under the russian czar. 99% of the churches have non-orthodox architecture and are not orthodox.Jaan-Mattihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11860975029769821336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1166669645725536266.post-9229627652991741182011-04-06T12:29:18.614-04:002011-04-06T12:29:18.614-04:00If I understand you well the application prototype...If I understand you well the application prototype worked well with an English-language training sample. But for real research the English-language biais should be treated. Your approach merits more investment. <br /><br />Now what was the research question ? <br /><br />Concerning religion mapping 2.0 : If you want to redo the interesting map and drop the English-language biais crowdsource the search for "local" Church names ! <br /><br />For instance, the German protestants call themselves Evangelisch, the French & Swiss data Réformé, the Swedish Svenska kyrkan (in English Church of Sweden), etc. <br /><br />How do you treat the declined forms of the denominations' adjectives ?fthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06956877101014480371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1166669645725536266.post-20587139435689144162010-04-01T00:22:49.824-04:002010-04-01T00:22:49.824-04:00I wonder how many of the Catholic references in Au...I wonder how many of the Catholic references in Australia (especially east coast) are due to last year's World Youth Day and pope visit here?sunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994068179886948802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1166669645725536266.post-5611263403974719192010-03-27T16:45:55.973-04:002010-03-27T16:45:55.973-04:00The European map is really very flawed. You are us...The European map is really very flawed. You are using the term "Protestant" to analyse the data, rather than the more specific terms like Anglican (UK), Methodist (Wales), Presbyterian (Scotland), Lutheran (Germany, Scandinavia), Reformed (Switzerland), &c. Had you run the analysis using the above terms and then compiled them as the broad term "Protestant", the map would actually reflect the true situation in Europe (i.e. a Catholic centre and south, Luthern north and west, Orthodox east).<br /><br />Additionally, what is interesting is the gaps in the map. Croatia is overwhelmingly Catholic; Serbia is overwhelming Orthodox, and yet these countries have virtually no dots.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16609492449452954079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1166669645725536266.post-39742731803571058322010-03-26T13:14:29.665-04:002010-03-26T13:14:29.665-04:00Am i the only one who thought of this scene from ...Am i the only one who thought of <strong><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km7WD8wkb1c" rel="nofollow"> this scene from Blazing Saddles</a></strong>.<br /><br />Probably.Sydhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06288677537002934173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1166669645725536266.post-63459318687071376722010-03-24T18:22:28.737-04:002010-03-24T18:22:28.737-04:00Don't agree that it's misleading, but it d...Don't agree that it's misleading, but it definitely has a limit in determining the nature of the areas. Umbrella denominations don't necessarily describe the belief or social patterns of the individual churches or denominations within them. I am (or was raised anyway) Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA). While there are some significant variations within it, it is categorically a far more liberal organization than the Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1166669645725536266.post-84140449025192437172010-03-23T01:04:33.941-04:002010-03-23T01:04:33.941-04:00Wow really? this is the worst and most miss-leadin...Wow really? this is the worst and most miss-leading map I've ever seen. Every one knows there is a HUGE difference between "American Baptist" and "Southern (neo-conservative) Baptist" right? is ever one here really that ignorant? I live in the NE, liberal as hell and and "Baptist", but please don't put me in the same categories with those crazies in the south. The same goes for many distinctions that aren't accounted or in this horrible map. Sorry you've all been mislead. I hope your smart enough to look for the agenda of the bias person who created it! good luck!okcuguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15204400182245155143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1166669645725536266.post-23931123572422779722010-03-22T20:49:05.136-04:002010-03-22T20:49:05.136-04:00Julie, Please look at the map again. All of those...Julie, Please look at the map again. All of those burnt orange Presbyterian dots are clustered exactly over western Pa. (metro Pittsburgh, for the most part), just as your driving impressions have previously confirmed. And as a native Pittsburgher who was raised Presbyterian, I confirm it, too! ;) (though I now live in Maine, and am Unitarian-Universalist)SteveinMainehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08699887928980373164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1166669645725536266.post-60361224255678325862010-03-22T11:02:25.646-04:002010-03-22T11:02:25.646-04:00Julie, I am also from Western PA and work as a mis...Julie, I am also from Western PA and work as a missionary supported by an inter-denominational mix of churches. I've been to just about every small town in (north) Western PA and I have to say they ALL have Methodist churches. Even the smallest of towns has one.<br /><br />Perhaps we travel in different parts of WPA, but I just don't see what you're seeing there.<br /><br />Cheers!Jaysonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16023332500369668803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1166669645725536266.post-71483757882075313762010-03-21T23:12:11.948-04:002010-03-21T23:12:11.948-04:00"Part of the issue is likely down to the fact..."Part of the issue is likely down to the fact that we thus far have confined our searches to English-language terms and are therefore missing out on all the references to Catholicism in Spanish." <br />Part of the issue? That's an understatement. <br />1) I don't see how you can say your map represents Christianity on the internet when it is solely based on English references.<br />2) People speak Portuguese in Brazil, not Spanish. Screwing that up doesn't inspire confidence.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17468477321455809127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1166669645725536266.post-44987773915630694872010-03-21T15:07:06.582-04:002010-03-21T15:07:06.582-04:00Is there a way to rerun the data using the term &q...Is there a way to rerun the data using the term "Anglican" in addition to "Protestant" for the map of Europe, and using the word "Episcopal" in place of (or in addition to) the word "Anglican" for America? In England, as several have pointed out, the "Protestants" call themselves "Anglican". But in America, most who consider themselves descended from Anglicans call themselves "Episcopal" -- the word "Anglican" in America signifies a splinter group who identify themselves with the Church of England (or even the Church of Rome) more than they do with the Episcopal Church.A. S. Haleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05108498446058643166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1166669645725536266.post-82251027666907015232010-03-21T09:22:47.699-04:002010-03-21T09:22:47.699-04:00According the CIA Factbook for Finland: Lutheran C...According the CIA Factbook for Finland: Lutheran Church of Finland 82.5%, Orthodox Church 1.1%, other Christian 1.1%, other 0.1%, none 15.1% (2006)<br /><br />According to your Europe map we consist of Orthodox and roman catholics.<br /><br /><br />As a finn living in Finland I know the CIA Factbook is correct.<br /><br />Your presentation is nice though.Hakkihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08369070468043614929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1166669645725536266.post-46757955188906281122010-03-20T18:46:08.342-04:002010-03-20T18:46:08.342-04:00In England a lot of Protestants would label themse...In England a lot of Protestants would label themselves Church of England, In scotland they would be Church of Scotland and in Wales they are generally Methodists and Baptists. You need to know what terminology to search with and for before searching. I would be interested to see what you come up with if you used more accurate search words.Annicleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06691832473765718313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1166669645725536266.post-37266981949233621092010-03-20T05:01:44.686-04:002010-03-20T05:01:44.686-04:00it is always interesting how people divide things ...it is always interesting how people divide things up. Your categories are Catholic, Orthodox, Pentecostal, and Protestant. The newly released Atlas of Global Christianity (http://www.atlasofglobalchristianity.org) uses the categories of Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, and Anglican (if I remember correctly). <br /><br /> Historically however, both Pentecostal and Anglican are part of the Protestant tradition, in terms of theology and history. In terms of theology though, I can appreciate distinguishing them from the Protestant mainstream. The Anglican church has historically had a significant Anglo-Catholic demographic and many Pentecostal churches with their emphasis on emotion and experience, seem to be moving away from the Bible-centered foundation laid by the Protestant Reformation.Karlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15249028819477392161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1166669645725536266.post-26210530493592888572010-03-19T18:03:23.511-04:002010-03-19T18:03:23.511-04:00Germany is actually divided almost 50:50, with pro...Germany is actually divided almost 50:50, with protestants in the northeast and catholics in the southwest. But both number are diminishing as islam and atheism are growing more and more.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09109465268083998971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1166669645725536266.post-67367731235362212372010-03-19T16:11:38.414-04:002010-03-19T16:11:38.414-04:00Ok just so you know in Brazil (where portuguese is...Ok just so you know in Brazil (where portuguese is spoken) pentecostal is spelled the same as in english and I assume it's the same in spanish so that would explain why those countries pentecostal numbers would be so high in countries that are almost completely Catholic. I lived in Brazil and I know that pentecostal religions are growing very quickly I just could not believe it until I realized how the data was gathered. Don't be fooled by this chart Brazil is still very catholic. Europe is obviously also way off (especially England!)Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13945464963940082605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1166669645725536266.post-30786938196250675312010-03-19T11:41:34.326-04:002010-03-19T11:41:34.326-04:00I agree with moc and Gunnar, you definitely need t...I agree with moc and Gunnar, you definitely need to re-do the Europe map, as it's totally misleading at present; I think this is a great idea, and a very nice way to present the data, but would be better if it was accurate!DaveyDaveDavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13116336104825511150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1166669645725536266.post-89546950780718678152010-03-19T09:29:04.266-04:002010-03-19T09:29:04.266-04:00I question some of your findings. I live in Weste...I question some of your findings. I live in Western PA and travel the area quite a bit. You would be hard-pressed to find a Methodist Church - yet nearly every town or village or city has at least 1 Presbyterian Church. While a great idea, I think your research has some serious flaws.Clear Callhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13833298494553346405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1166669645725536266.post-8089667716503961812010-03-18T21:23:34.108-04:002010-03-18T21:23:34.108-04:00Is there a way to redo the European map to actuall...Is there a way to redo the European map to actually show the divisions within Protestantism because, as it stands now, the map is very misleading without reading the 'fine print' (it makes you wonder why the hell Ireland and the UK ever fought and killed each other at all).mochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02214299043496250659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1166669645725536266.post-57863035411932901102010-03-18T18:10:11.263-04:002010-03-18T18:10:11.263-04:00A couple of quick response:
Jennifer: we did a qu...A couple of quick response:<br /><br />Jennifer: we did a quick update to the FAQ that briefly gets at your question. Essentially we are using a software program to collect the data<br /><br />Canadian Yankee (love the name btw): we did do searches on Unitarian and UCC but did not include them in the final map as they had a lower number of hits overall in the U.S. and we were stretching the color palette with ten denominations. Apologies. When included you do see a cluster in New England.<br /><br />LauraRose: Very valid point. But having grown up in Lancaster county, PA (hence the last name) I'd love to go to Minnesota and gawk at the Lutherans.<br /><br />Gunnar: Yeah, we did drop into academic speak a bit on that one.Matthew Zookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08480544925277453768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1166669645725536266.post-50096445253463775532010-03-18T16:16:14.019-04:002010-03-18T16:16:14.019-04:00The Baptists in Maine are American Baptists, not S...The Baptists in Maine are American Baptists, not Southern Baptists. The two groups split just before the Civil War, largely over the question of slavery.<br /><br />The North American map is missing the two biggest Protestant denominations in New England: Unitarian and United Church of Christ.Canadian Yankeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10960443041375572107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1166669645725536266.post-30742061620389342572010-03-18T11:42:02.778-04:002010-03-18T11:42:02.778-04:00What is your research methodology? I find it misle...What is your research methodology? I find it misleading to post a map without any indication of where the data comes from and how it was collected. Surely you cannot be searching Google manually for every lat/long, so how is this data gathered?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16787353999848778253noreply@blogger.com